Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 09:57:20 -0400
From: Bob Grabau
Here is a tip for monitoring a ftp download. in another virtual console enter the following script:
while : do clear ls -l <filename that you are downloading> sleep 1 done
This virtual console can be behind (if you are using X) any other window and just showing a line of text. This will let you know if your download is done or stalled. This will let you do other things, like reading the Linux Gazette.
When you type this in, you wll get a > prompt after the first line and continue until you enter the last line.
-- Bob Grabau
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:17:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Barron
Xlogin.mini-howto
Several people regularly use my Linux system at home (an assembled-from- components box containing a 133 Mhz Pentium, 2Gb of disk, 32Mb of memory, running the Slackware distribution) -- my step-son Stephen, who's learning to program and likes using X, my younger step-son Michael, who likes the X screen-savers and games like Doom, my wife Karen, who prefers the generic terminalness of the un-X'd console, and myself -- I like to use X for doing software development work since it lets me see several processes on the screen at once. I also like to keep an X screen saver running when no-one is using the machine.
I didn't want to run xdm (an X-based login manager), since Karen doesn't want to have to deal with X. She wants to be at the console when she logins in and not have to worry about where to click the mouse and such. But I wanted to have a simple way of getting into X when I login without having to start it up manually.
Here's what I came up with:
if [ "$DISPLAY" = "" ]; then cal > ~/.month xinit .Xsession > /dev/null 2>&1 clear if [ ! -f .noexit ]; then exit fi else export TTY=`tty` export TTY=`expr "$TTY" : "/dev/tty\(.*\)"` export PS1="<$LOGNAME @ \h[$TTY]:\w> \n$ " export PATH=${PATH}:~/bin:. export EDITOR=emacs export WWW_HOME=file://localhost/home/tb/Lynx/lynx_bookmarks.html export DISPLAY alias cls="clear" alias dodo="$EDITOR ~/prj/dodo" alias e="$EDITOR" alias exit=". ~/bin/off" alias l="ls -l" alias lx="ls -x" alias minicom="minicom -m" alias pg=less alias pine="export DISPLAY=;'pine'" alias prj=". ~/bin/prj" alias profile="$EDITOR ~/.profile; . ~/.profile" fiWhen I first login, on the console, $DISPLAY is not yet set, so the first branch of the if statement takes effect and we start up X. When X terminates, we'll clear the screen and, unless the file .noexit exists, logout. Running cal and storing the output in .month is in preparation for displaying a calender in a window under X.
: xsetroot -solid black fvwm & oclock -geometry 75x75-0+0 & xload -geometry 100x75+580+0 & emacs -geometry -0-0 & xterm -geometry 22x8+790+0 -e less ~/.month & color_xterm -font 7x14 -ls -geometry +5-0 & exec color_xterm -font 7x14 -ls -geometry +5+30 \ -T "Type 'exit' in this window to leave X"So when my color_xterms run, with -ls as an argument (which says to run a login shell), they run .profile again. Only this time $DISPLAY is set, so they process the else half of the if, getting the environment variables and aliases I normally expect.
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 10:14:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tom Barron Xscreensaver.mini-howto
Several people regularly use my Linux system at home (an assembled-from- components box containing a 133 Mhz Pentium, 2Gb of disk, 32Mb of memory, running the Slackware distribution) -- my step-son Stephen, who's learning to program and likes using X, my younger step-son Michael, who likes the X screen-savers and games like Doom, my wife Karen, who prefers the generic terminalness of the un-X'd console, and myself -- I like to use X for doing software development work since it lets me see several processes on the screen at once. I also like to keep an X screen saver running when no-one is using the machine.
I didn't want to run xdm (an X-based login manager), since Karen doesn't want to have to deal with X. She wants to be at the console when she logins in and not have to worry about where to click the mouse and such. But I wanted to have a simple way of starting up the X-based screensaver xlock when I (or anyone) logged out to the console login.
Here's what I did (as root):
if [ "$DISPLAY" = "" ]; then xinit .Xsession > /dev/null 2>&1 clear exit fi
: exec xlock -nolock -mode random
In my next article, I show how I arranged to jump into X from the console login prompt just by logging in (i.e., without having to start X manually).
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:29:20 -0400
From: Joseph Hartmann
Hex Dump by Joseph L. Hartmann, Jr.
This code is copyright under the GNU GPL by Joseph L. Hartmann, Jr.
I have not been happy with Hex Dump. I am an old ex-DOS user, and am familiar with the HEX ... ASCII side-by-side presentation.
Since I am studying awk and sed, I thought it would be an interesting excercise to write this type of dump.
Here is a sample of what you may expect when you type the (script) command "jhex " to the shell:
0000000 46 69 6c 65 6e 61 6d 65 0000000 F i l e n a m e 0000008 3a 20 2f 6a 6f 65 2f 62 0000008 : / j o e / b 0000010 6f 6f 6b 73 2f 52 45 41 0000010 o o k s / R E A 0000018 44 4d 45 0a 0a 62 6f 6f 0000018 D M E . . b o o 0000020 6b 2e 74 6f 2e 62 69 62 0000020 k . t o . b i b 0000028 6c 69 6f 66 69 6e 64 2e 0000028 l i o f i n d . 0000030 70 65 72 6c 20 69 73 20 0000030 p e r l i s
If you like it, read on....
The 0000000 is the hexadecimal address of the dump 46 is the hexadecimal value at 0000000 69 is the hexadecimal value at 0000001 6c is the hexadecimal value at 0000002 ...and so on.
To the right of the repeated address, "F i l e n a m e" is the 8 ascii equivalents to the hex codes you see on the left.
I elected to dump 8 bytes in one row of screen output. The following software is required: hexdump, bash, less and gawk.
gawk is the GNU/Linux version of awk.
There are four files that I have installed in my /joe/scripts directory, a directory that is in my PATH environment.
The four files are: combine -- an executable script: you must "chmod +x combine" jhex -- an executable script: you must "chmod +x jhex" hexdump.dashx.format -- a data file holding the formatting information for the hex bytes. hexdump.perusal.format -- a data file holding the formatting information for the ascii bytes.
Here is the file jhex:
hexdump -f /joe/scripts/hexdump.dashx.format $1 > /tmp1.tmp hexdump -f /joe/scripts/hexdump.perusal.format $1 > /tmp2.tmp gawk -f /joe/scripts/combine /tmp1.tmp > /tmp3.tmp less /tmp3.tmp rm /tmp1.tmp rm /tmp2.tmp rm /tmp3.tmpHere is the file combine:
# this is /joe/scripts/combine -- it is invoked by /joe/scripts/jhex { getline < "/tmp1.tmp" printf("%s ",$0) getline < "/tmp2.tmp" print }Here is the file hexdump.dashx.format:
"%07.7_ax " 8/1 "%02x " "\n"Here is the file hexdump.perusal.format:
"%07.7_ax " 8/1 "%_p " "\n"
I found the "sed & awk" book by Dale Dougherty helpful.
I hope you find jhex useful. To make it useful for yourself, you will have to replace the "/joe/scripts" with the path of your choice. It must be a path that is in your PATH, so that the scripts can be executed from anyplace in the directory tree.
A trivial note: do not remove the blank line from the hexdump.dasx.format and hexdump.perusal.format files: it will not work if you do!
A second trivial note: when a file contains many characters all of same kind, the line-by-line display will be aborted and the display will look similar to the example below:
0000820 75 65 6e 63 65 20 61 66 0000820 u e n c e a f 0000828 74 65 72 20 74 68 65 20 0000828 t e r t h e 0000830 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 0000830 . 0000838 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 0000838 * * 0000868 20 20 20 20 20 6c 61 73 0000868 l a s 0000870 74 20 72 65 63 6f 72 64 0000870 t r e c o r d
Instead of displaying *all* the 20's, you just get the
* * .
I don't like this myself, but I have reached the end of my competence (and/or patience), and therefore, that's the way it is!
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 07:30:38 -0400
From: Tim Bessell
I have been using Linux for about a year, as each day passes and my knowledge increases, my Win95 patitions decrease. This prompted me to by a notebook, which of course is loaded with Windows. Currently these two machines are NOT networked :-( But that doesn't mean I can't print a document created in Word for Windows, Internet Explorer, etc., without plugging my printer cable into the other machine.
My solution is rather simple. If you haven't already, add a new printer in the Windows control panel, using the driver for the printer that is connected to your Linux box. Select "FILE" as the port you wish to print to and give it a name, eg: Print File (HP Destjet 540). Now print your document to a floppy disk file, take it to the Linux machine, and issue a command simular to: cat filename > /dev/lp1. Your document will be printed with all the formatting that was done in Windows.
Enjoy,
Tim Bessell
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:42:34
From: Earl Mitchell
Ever wonder how you can grep certain files in a directory tree for a particular string. Here's example how
grep foo `find . -name \*.c -print`
This command will generate a list of all the .c files in the current working directory or any of its subdirectories then use this list of files for the grep command. The grep will then search those files for the string "foo" and output the filename and the line containing "foo".
The only caveat here is that UNIX is configured to limit max chars in a command line and the "find" command may generate a list of files to huge for shell to digest when it tries to run the grep portion as a command line. Typically this limit is 1024 chars per command line.
-earl
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:41:28
From: Peter Amstutz
A couple suggestions to people with video cards based on the ViRGE Chipset...
Note: this trick has not been authorized, reconignized, or in any way endorsed, recommended, or even considered by the guy(s) who wrote svgalib in the first place. (that last version of svgalib is over a year old, so I don't expect there to be any new versions real soon) It works for me, so I just wanted to share it with the Linux community that just might find it useful. Peter Amstutz
Suppose you have an X running, and want to start another one (perhaps for a different user).
startx alone will complain.
Writing
startx -- :1
startx -- :2
Then start it rather with
startx -- -bpp 16 :2
Of course, if no Xserver is running yet, you can get a non-default depth by just starting with
startx -- -bpp 16or
startx -- -bpp 8
Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 12:58:11 +0200 (MDT)
From: Gregor Gerstmann
Hi there, Here is a small tip concerning the 'automatic' file transfer; Linux Gazette Issue 17, May 1997. Everything is known stuff in Unix and Linux. To 'automate' file transfer for me means to minimize the load on the remote server as well as my own telephone costs - you have to pay for the time you think if or not to get a special file, for changing the directories and for the time to put the names into the PC. The procedure is called with the address as parameter and generates a protocol.
#!/bin/bash # date > prot # ftp -v $1 >> prot # # date >> prot #
Ftp now looks if a .netrc file exists; in this file I use macros written in advance and numbered consecutively:
... machine ftp.ssc.com login anonymous password [email protected] macdef T131 binary prompt cd ./pub/lg pwd dir . C131.2 get lg_issue17.tar.gz SSC17 macdef init $T131 bye ...
Now I first get the contents of several directories via dir . C131... and, to have some book-keeping, logically use the same numbers for the macros and the directories. The protocol shows, if I am really in the directory I wished to. Until the next session begins, the file C131... is used to edit the last .netrc file, therefore the names will always be typed correctly. If you are downloading under DOS from your account the shorter names are defined in the .netrc file. Everything is done beforehand with vi under Linux.
Dr.Werner Gerstmann
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 16:19:05 -0600
From: "Michael J. Hammel"
But I just can't seem to find any documentation explaining how to set up local newsgroups. smtpd and nntpd are running, but the manpages won't tell anything about how to set up ng's
smtpd and nntpd are just transport agents. They could just as easily transport any sort of message files as they do mail or NetNews files. What you're looking for is the software which manages these files on your local system (if you want newsgroups available only locally then you need to have this software on your system). I used to use CNEWS for this. I believe there are some other packages, much newer than CNEWS, that might make it easier. Since I haven't used CNEWS in awhile I'm afraid I can't offer any more info than this.
Michael J. Hammel
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:25:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oliver Oberdorf
Saw some X Window tips, so I thought I'd send this one along..
I tend to use lots of color rich applications in X. After cranking up XEmacs, Gimp, etc., I find that I quickly run out of palette on my 8-bit display. Most programs don't behave sensibly when I run out of colors - for example, CGoban comes up black and white and realaudio refuses to run at all (not enough colors to play sound, I suppose.
I've found I can solve these problems by passing a "-cc 4" option to the X server. This tells it to pretend I have a bigger pallete and to pass back closest matches to colors when necessary. I've never run out of colors since then.
There are caveats: programs that check for a full colormap and install their own (color flashing) will automatically do so. This includes netscape and XForms programs (which I was running with private color maps anyway). My copy of LyriX makes the background black. Also, I tried Mosaic on a Sun and had some odd color effects.
oly
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:40:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oliver Oberdorf
I forgot to add that the -cc 4 can be used like this:
startx -- -cc 4
sorry about that
oly
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 20:44:13 -0400
From: Peter Amstutz
A couple suggestions to people with video cards based on the S3/ViRGE Chipset... (which is many video cards that ship with new computers that claim to have 3D accelerated graphics. Don't believe it. The 3D graphics capability of all ViRGE-based chips sucks. They make better cheap 2D accelerators)
case 0x11E0: s3_chiptype = S3_TRIO64; break; becomes case 0x11E0: case 0x31E1: s3_chiptype = S3_TRIO64; break;
Save it! You're home free! Recompile, re-install libraries, and now, what we've all been waiting for, test some svga modes! 640x480x256! 640x480x16bpp! 800x600x24bpp! YES!!!
But wait! One thing to watch out for. First, make sure you reinstall it in the right place! Slackware puts libvga.a in /usr/lib/, so make sure that is that file that you replace. Another thing: programs compiled with svgalib statically linked in will have to be rebuilt with the new library, otherwise they will just go along in their brain dead fashion blithely unaware that your card is not being used to nearly it's full potential.
Note: this hack has not been authorized, reconignized, or in any way endorsed, recommended, or even considered by the guy(s) who wrote svgalib. The last version of svgalib is over a year old, so I don't expect there to be any new versions real soon. It works for me, so I just wanted to share it with the Linux community that just might find it useful. This has only been tested on my machine, using a Diamond Stealth 3D 2000, so if you have a different ViRGE-based card and you have problems you're on your own.
No, there are no Linux drivers that use ViRGE "accelerated 3D" features. It sucks, I know (then again, the 3D performance of ViRGE chips is so bad you're probably not missing much)
Peter Amstutz
Date: 5 May 1997
From:
I wanted to print out a c source with line numbers. Here is one way to do it:
Assuming you are using bash, install the following function in your .bashrc file.
jnl () { for args do nl -ba $args > /tmp.tmp done lpr /tmp.tmp }
"nl" is a textutils utility that numbers the lines of a file.
"-ba" makes sure *all* the lines (even the empty lines) get numbered.
/tmp.tmp is my true "garbage" temporary file, hence I write over it, and send it to the line printer.
For example to print out a file "kbd.c", with line numbers:
jnl kdb.c
There are probably 20 different methods of accomplishing the same thing, but when you don't even have *one* of them in your bag of tricks, it can be a time-consuming detour.
Note: I initially tried to name the function "nl", but this led to an infinite loop. Hence I named it jnl (for Joe's number lines).
Best Regards,
Joe Harmann
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 13:30:04 -0700
From: Igor Markov
Hi, I read your 2c tip in Linux gazette regarding ftplib.
I am not sure why you recommend downloading ftpget, while another package, actually, a single program, which is available on many systems does various ftp services pretty well.
I mean ncftp ("nikFTP"). It can do command line, it can work in the mode of usual ftp (with the "old" or "smarter" interface") and it also does full-screen mode showing ETA during the transfer. It has filename and hostname completion and a bunch of other niceties, like remembering passwords if you ask it to.
Try man ncftp on your system (be in Linux or Solaris) ... also, ncftp is available from every major Linux archive (including ftp.redhat.com where you can find latest RPMs)
Hope this helps, Igor
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 13:52:02 -0700
From: Igor Markov
I have a dial-up with dynamic IP and it has always been an incontinence for me and my friends to learn my current IP address (I had an ftp script which put the address every 10 minutes into ~/.plan file on my acct at UCLA, then one could get the address by fingering the account).
However, recently I discovered a really cool project http://www.ml.org which
Once their nameserver reloads its tables (once every 5-10mins!) your computer can be accessed by the name you selected when registered.
For example, my Linux box has IP name math4.dyn.ml.org
Caveat: if you are not online, the name can point to a random computer. In my case, those boxes are most often wooden (i.e. running Windoze ;-) so you would get "connection refused".
In general, you need some kind of authentication scheme (e.g. if you telnet to my computer, it would say "Office on Rodeo Drive")
Isn't that cool ?
Cheers, Igor
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 11:55:28 -0400
From: Joseph Turian
I used Redhat 4.0's netcfg tool to install my PPP connection, but found that I could only use the Internet as root. I set the proper permissions on my scripts and the pppd (as stated in the PPP Howto and the Redhat PPP Tips documents), but I still could not use any Internet app from a user's account. I then noticed that a user account _could_ access an IP number, but could not do a DNS lookup. It turns out that I merely had to chmod ugo+r /etc/resolv.conf
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:24:45
From: Nelson Tibbitt
Sometimes it might be useful to allow trusted friends to connect to your personal Linux box over the Internet. An easy way to do this is to put links to your IP address on a full-time web server, then give the URL to whomever. Why would you want to do that? Well, I do it so my sister can telnet to Magnon, my laptop, for a chat whenever I'm connected.
However it might prove difficult if, like me, your ISP assigns your IP address dynamically. So I wrote a short script to take care of this... The script generates an html file containing my local IP address then uploads the file via ftp to a dedicated web server on which I have rented some web space. It runs every time a ppp connection is established, so the web page always contains my current IP, as well as the date/time I last connected.
This is pretty easy to set up, and the result is way cool. Just give my sis (or anyone else I trust) the URL... then she can check to see if I'm online whenever she wants, using Netscape from her vax account at RIT. If I am connected, she can click to telnet in for a chat.
Here's how it works....
To get ftp to work, I had to create a file named .netrc in my home directory with a line that contains the ftp login information for the remote server. My .netrc has one line that looks like this:
machine ftp.server.com login ftpusername password ftppassword
For more information on the .netrc file and its format, try "man ftp". Chmod it 700 (chmod 700 .netrc) to prevent other users from reading the file. This isn't a big deal on my laptop, which is used primarily by yours truly. But it's a good idea anyway.
Here's my script. There might be a better way to do all of this, however my script works pretty well. Still, I'm always interested in ways to improve my work, so if you have any suggestions or comments, feel free to send me an email.
#!/bin/sh # *** This script relies on the user having a valid local .netrc *** # *** file permitting automated ftp logins to the web server!! *** # # Slightly modified version of: # Nelson Tibbitt's insignificant bash script, 5-6-97 # [email protected] # # Here are variables for the customizing... # Physical destination directory on the remote server # (/usr/apache/htdocs/nelson/ is the httpd root directory at my virtual domain) REMOTE_PLANDIR="/usr/apache/htdocs/nelson/LinuX/Magnon" # Desired destination filename REMOTE_PLANNAME="sonny.htm" # Destination ftp server # Given this and the above 2 variables, a user would find my IP address at # http://dedicated.web.server/LinuX/Magnon/sonny.htm REMOTE_SERVER="dedicated.web.server" # Local (writable) temporary directory TMPDIR="/usr/tmp" # Title (and header) of the html file to be generated HTMLHEAD="MAGNON" # Existing image on remote server to place in html file.. # Of course, this variable isn't necessary, and may be commented out. If commented out, # you'll want to edit the html file generation below to prevent an empty image from appearing # in your web page. HTMLIMAGE="/LinuX/Magnon/images/mobile_web.gif" # Device used for ppp connection PPP_DEV="ppp0" # Local temporary files for the html file/ftp script generation TFILE="myip.htm" TSCPT="ftp.script" # Used to determine local IP address on PPP_DEV # There are several ways to get your IP, this was the first command-line method I came # up with. It works fine here. Another method, posted in May 1997 LJ (and which looks # much cleaner) is this: # `/sbin/ifconfig | awk 'BEGIN { pppok = 0} \ # /ppp.*/ { pppok = 1; next } \ # {if (pppok == 1 ) {pppok = 0; print} }'\ # | awk -F: '{print $2 }'| awk '{print $1 }'` GETMYIP=$(/sbin/ifconfig | grep -A 4 $PPP_DEV \ | awk '/inet/ { print $2 } ' | sed -e s/addr://) # Used to place date/time of last connection in the page FORMATTED_DATE=$(date '+%B %-d, %I:%M %p') # # # Now, do it! First give PPP_DEV time to settle down... sleep 5 echo "Current IP: $GETMYIP" # Generate the html file... # Edit this part to change the appearance of the web page. rm -f $TMPDIR/$TFILE echo "Writing $REMOTE_PLANNAME" echo >$TMPDIR/$TFILE echo "<html><head><title>$HTMLHEAD</title></head><center>" >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE echo "<body bgcolor=#ffffff><font size=+3>$HTMLHEAD</font>" >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE # Remove the <imgtag in the line below if you don't want an image echo "<p><img src='$HTMLIMAGE' alt='image'<p>The last " >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE echo "time I connected was <b>$FORMATTED_DATE</b>, when the " >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE echo "Net Gods dealt <b>$GETMYIP</bto Magnon. <p><a href=" >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE echo "http://$GETMYIP target=_top>http://$GETMYIP</a><p>" >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE echo "<a href=ftp://$GETMYIP target=_top>ftp://$GETMYIP" >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE echo "<p><a href=telnet://$GETMYIP>telnet://$GETMYIP</a><br>" >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE echo "(Telnet must be properly configured in your browser.)" >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE # Append a notice about the links.. echo "<p>The above links will only work while I'm connected." >> $TMPDIR/$TFILE # Create an ftp script to upload the html file echo "put $TMPDIR/$TFILE" $REMOTE_PLANDIR/$REMOTE_PLANNAME > $TMPDIR/$TSCPT echo "quit" >$TMPDIR/$TSCPT # Run ftp using the above-generated ftp script (requires valid .netrc file for ftp login to work) echo "Uploading $REMOTE_PLANNAME to $REMOTE_SERVER..." ftp $REMOTE_SERVER > $TMPDIR/$TSCPT &/dev/null # The unset statements are probably unnecessary, but make for a clean 'look and feel' echo -n "Cleaning up... " rm -f $TMPDIR/$TFILE ; rm -f $TMPDIR/$TSCPT unset HTMLHEAD HTMLIMAGE REMOTE_SERVER REMOTE_PLANDIR REMOTE_PLANNAME unset GETMYIP FORMATTED_DATE PPP_DEV TMPDIR TFILE TSCPT echo "Done." exit
Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 11:16:32
From: Michael Jablecki
Shockingly enough, there seems to be a DOS product out there that will happily make "image files" of entire hard disks and copy these image files onto blank hard disks in a sector-by-sector fashion. Boot sectors and partition tables should be transferred exactly. See: http://www.ingot.com for more details. Seagate (I think...) has also made a program that does the duplication in one step - transfers all of one hard disk to another identical disk. I'm not sure which of these products works with non-identical disks.
Hope this helps.
Michael Jablecki
From: Paul
Oh, here's a little tidbit of info to pass on, this has been bugging me for a while. Often times when people send in tips 'n' tricks, it requires one to untar and unzip an archive. It usually suggested that this be done in one of several cumbersome ways: gzcat foo.tar.gz | tar zxvf - or 1. gunzip foo.tar.gz 2. tar xvf foo.tar or some other multi-step method. There is a much easier, time-saving, space saving method. The version of tar shipped with most distributions of Linux is from the FSF GNU project. These people recognized that most tar archives are usually gzipped and provided a 'decompress' flag to tar. This is equivalent to the above methods: tar zxvf foo.tar.gz This decompress the tar.gz file on the fly and then untars it into the current directory, but it also leaves the original .tar.gz alone. However, one step I consider essential that is usually never mentioned, is to look at what's in the tar archive prior to extracting it. You have no idea whether the archiver was kind enough to tar up the parent directory of the files, or it they just tarred up a few files. The netscape tar.gz is a classic example. When that's untarred, it dumps the contents into your current directory. Using: gtar ztvf foo.tar.gz allows you to look at the contents of the archive prior to opening it up and potetially writing over files with the same name. At the very least, you will know what's going on and be able to make provisions for it before you mess something up. For those who are adventurous, (X)Emacs is capable of not only opening up and reading a tar.gz file, but actually editing and re-saving the contents of these as well. Think of the time/space savings in that! Seeya, Paul